Relationships in Thailand part 7
Why are Thai men not interested in relationships with foreign women? And why don’t western women care about Thai men? After all Thailand is known for cross-cultural relationships and men come here by the tens of thousands to find female Thai partners. Why is this a one way street? Why do you rarely see Thai men with western women?
Who follows whom?
Thais are shy people compared to most westerners. Culturally it is not acceptable to show strong emotion, get angry, yell at people, confront someone head-on, or have an intense argument. On top of that in many Asian cultures the woman traditionally follows the man much more compared to the total equality concept that is prevalent in the west. And here we have a major sticking point.
Western women have no intention of merely following a Thai man, they have no qualms about speaking their mind, and they mostly insist on a good deal of independence, free thinking and freedom of choices. All this is so much opposed to the Thai relationship model that it would make most Thai men feel uncomfortable or even threatened.
No cheating allowed – period!
Thai men often have second wives and/or regular affairs with sexual partners. Whereas Thai women do not like that, they often put up with it. Western women would never tolerate such behavior. Many Thai men would feel that their lifestyle is too much restricted by a relationship with a western woman.
Who is the prettiest of them all?
A third reason is that Thai men do not find western women as attractive as Thai women. It is very rare that Thai men stare at western women or pursue them or harass them in any way. This is not the case everywhere in Asia. In India for example women often experience unwelcome advances, and in Bali you typically see relationships between Balinese men and western women.
Kid in candy shop or relationship desert
There are Thai man/western woman relationships, but they are a tiny percentage compared to western man/Thai woman relationships. What all this means is that western men are like a kid in a candy shop in Thailand in the relationship arena. Western women however are mostly limited to relationships with other westerners, so their available choices are much fewer than for their male western counterparts. Rather than being in a candy shop they often feel that they are in a relationship desert in Thailand.
The actual scenario
Let’s have a look at a fairly typical relationship between a western man and a Thai woman. The man has more money and supports his wife. Often he takes her to his home country and she has to adjust to a new culture. Because of her dependence on him for financial support and her challenge to adjust to a new environment in the west she relies on him for advice, education, integration, and her new way of life. She is happy to follow him since he is her life support in a strange new environment.
Exchange roles, and it breaks down
Now take that same story, but exchange the sexes. Reread that story but imagine that there is a western woman who has a Thai husband. It it blatantly obvious that this would never work. It totally flies in the face of male psychology and ego. The whole concept is just unthinkable from a Thai man’s point of view.
Feminine and sweet despite equality
Thai women have equal rights and enjoy more freedom than in many oriental cultures. There was never a women’s liberation movement in Thailand and men generally do not feel challenged by women. Despite their legal equality, Thai women have an amazing talent of being feminine, of retaining a female sweetness. They do not feel obligated to compete with men on their turf by wearing male looking business suits and ties and going head-to-head with their male co-workers. Rather than hiding their femininity, Thai women like to display it.
Because of those characteristics it feels natural for Thai women to adjust to their western partners and even sometimes follow them to another country. But the other way round this is not working at all. A naturally shy Thai man who is nevertheless endowed with a typical male ego, in a relationship with a self confident and assertive, educated and financially independent western woman – it is mostly not a workable concept, and it rarely happens.
Not all relationships in Thailand are made in heaven
The relationship scene in Thailand is definitely somewhat one-sided. That does not mean that women do not enjoy Thailand, but they are not likely to find a lover or husband here, and they would not want to. There are countless thousands of men who come here to find a partner or wife, but I am fairly certain that there is not one single woman who comes here looking for relationship heaven. Thai men and western women are just not a match made in heaven.
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Hello,
Thai women have equal rights ‘de jure’ not ‘de facto’ and there still is one major discrimination which, by the way many men complain about and would solve a lot of ‘ visa issue’ , and is that by law Thai women do not give citizenship and from the perspective of equality it is one of the major flaw in the equality agenda.
Thailand is a male oriented society with men in most Leadership positions in the business and the government sector. yes there are women in politics but not at strategic levels. There still is a long road to equalty in thailand as in many neighbouring countries. But yes agreed that in some ways it looks in apparence more free-will based than in Cambodia or other neighbouring countries. However Vietnam has better indicators than Thailand in this respect and considering that that country is also a ‘marriage heaven’ for men, it is interesting to note that there are western women with vietnamese men.
Your analysis is quite journalistic and humouristic and I like your straightforwardness .
Chock Dee
Isabella, you made some very valid points here. As always you are contributing very constructively.
Hi,
This sounds very accurate yet very opinionated. Would it be possible if women do care and love to be with their Thai man? I met a few who got married to Thai man and stayed in Thailand (possibly moved out of Thailand together). I, myself, am in love with my Thai man. I guess it makes it similar in ways. I’m Thai, Chinese, and Vietnamese born in America. I met my love in Thailand volunteering for my internship. We plan on creating a future. It’s quite tough but I want to make it happen and it’s gradually coming along.
Please reply.
-Darline
Hi Darline, certainly there are exceptions to general observations. I also know some western women who married Thai men. They are a very small percentage compared to the Thai-woman/western-man relationship, but certainly anything is possible. It seems that you have found a good relationship in the tiny percentage group – good for you. I wish you many years of happiness together!
(Part 2)
Forgot to mention, what if Western woman don’t care and decide to have a relationship with their Thai man. I think it would be possible for them to work together as a team especially if they plan on having children. If the woman is financially supportful and doesn’t care how they’re treated or judged, than it could be possible. I would make anything possible for my love to stay with me – in America or Thailand. It doesn’t matter anyway because I AM FORTUNATE and I treasure him very much. I have met too many men who doesn’t seem to match with me while mine is very “homely”.
(Keep in mind, the man I met is Akha villager. He’s not particularly Thai. He’s my Akha Man.)
Thankx,
Darline
Darline, my article describes what is happening most of the time in Thailand. Your situation falls outside of the “typical” scenario. Of course it is possible to make it work – even if you were the only one on the planet in such a relationship, it would still be possible to make it work. And you certainly have my best wishes!
Hello,
My name is Kumroon Maksirisombat, Ph.D. I am a Thai citizen, as I was born and raised in Thailand. I married my American wife for 36 years and we have two wonderful adult children together. I believed in any marriages, we must trust each other and we must have something in commom. My wife and I have the same work ethic, family values and outlook on life. I knew then and now that I need to give her the respect and valued her freedom and equality. I believed that if more western women would get to know Thai men better, they will likely to choose Thai men over western men. Statistically have shown that Thai men tend to support their wives more so than western men. We come from a very family oriented society. I wish you the best in your life and if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Best Wishes,
Kumroon Maksirisombat, Ph.D.
Thanks for your comment Kumroon. I am always glad to hear about successful relationships. My impression is that Thai man/western woman relationships work best when the Thai man has a higher education and speaks English well enough to allow for easy communication. Obviously this is the case with you. Also you clearly do not just follow “Thai culture”, but you have excellent relationship values that are the basis for a truly successful partnership.
My Thai wife and myself subscribe to the same values, and we have the best relationship of our lives since 9 years already. It is inspiring for me to hear about your good and successful relationship.
Thank you for your insight and observation. Being half-japanese, half-American myself, i feel like this article is MUCH more descriptive of Japan than Thailand in regards to the western women/asian man relationship ratio, not that Thailand does not exemplify this skewed ratio as well because it definitely does. But in comparison with other Asian countries I feel like Thailand is definitely among the more liberal, maybe not as much as Bali but then again I feel like there are financial issues tied in with that as well. It is much harder for a western woman to find a Japanese man than the same woman to find a Thai man.
After spending a year abroad in Japan, I traveled to Thailand on holiday before returning to America and it was one of the best experiences of my life. After a year of feeling unattractive and unfeminine in tokyo by japanese men (despite being half), it was so nice to enjoy all the looks, boys and men asking for my number, telling me how beautiful i am, free beers and drinks and food, etc. in thailand!
i even ended up meeting a special thai man whom i am now happily married to. now i might be the exception, and i guess im not your typical western woman either, but after looking around and my own experience for the past few years in thailand, i really feel like things are not as skewed as they were before, at least in the south and especially with the younger men.
and i have to disagree with at least one of the statements you mentioned about thai men finding western women less attractive–this is definitely not the case in the south, or even the north i would wager. perhaps places like Bangkok where fashion and fair skin are more common and more emphasized. but in my time in the south, having a western girlfriend/wife is like a trophy prize! maybe it depends on the woman but it definitely feels like “farang” women have this unfair beauty advantage over thai women, in the eyes of thai men here, probably to do with their skin, light hair and light eyes, im not sure…but this was my observation. its typical to see young thai boys “sporting” their farang girlfriends around with pride, like its a bragging right, and others watching are impressed. when i was introduced to all my husbands family and friends, the first question they always ask is, what do i see in him? he has dark skin, typical thai country man–what is a beautiful girl like you doing with him?!! They cant wrap their heads around it!
we often get looks when we walk together, people are so shocked.
In any case, I would agree with a lot of points in your article, but would you say perhaps that this is an older take on Thai-Western relationships and things are changing now? Or is this just something happening in the South with younger generations?
Thank you for your time and observations
Hi Jennifer,
thanks for your elaborate comment. I agree with you that there are many changes happening in Thailand with the younger generation. They are much more influenced by western models and western TV, and some are trying to break out of Thai cultural restrictions. My observation after living here for many years is that the western woman/Thai man relationship is clearly a very small minority compared to the western man/Thai woman relationship. But there are definitely some. I presented the most common scenario in my article, and there are clearly exceptions, and they might get more in the future with a gradual breakdown of Thai traditions by the young generation.
But still I don’t see too many Thai man/western woman relationships happening simply due to the psychological makeup of Thai men versus western women. If you have such a successful relationship, I congratulate you and wish you many happy years together.
I live in the north of Thailand. It is quite possible that in the southern beach tourist areas you find more young Thai men pursuing western women, but as soon as you get out of those liberal tourist areas and into typical Thai towns, you are back to the status quo again.
Where I live, in Chiang Mai, it is extremely rare to see a Thai man with a western woman. There are some, but just a tiny percentage.
I’m 19 and about 2 months ago I met a 26 year old Thai man. I live in Australia and he has lived here for about 2 years, his english isn’t fantastic which makes things a little difficult to explain to him sometimes but its alright.
Lately things have started to get a little bit strange and I was hoping someone who knew a little more about Thai people and their culture could shed some light on the matter.
He has become extremely possessive of me and if I am to even talk to or text a male friend he gets very upset and jealous, I was at work the other day and couldn’t pick up my phone for about 2 hours, when I finally called him back he was absolutely furious, got very drunk that night and called me at ridiculous hours of the morning saying he was coming to my house to get me and that he loved me.
Usually when I stay at his house he makes me have about 4 showers.. even if I say I have already showered he makes me have another one.. maybe ocd.. Maybe he is just very clean..
He is really nice but every time I see him it seems to be another extremely bizarre experience. whether he’s licking the chilli off my food and feeding me like a bird or telling me I’m not allowed to smoke or drink or wipe my face with a towel or taking my rings of my fingers and putting them on my ring finger, its all very strange and I’m wondering if its just what Thai men are like or if I should be slightly worried about where this might be going..
Well, Jasmine, from reading your comment I have to say that I think you should be more than slightly worried. What you described sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, regardless of the nationality of the both of you. What you described is pathological behavior on his part. In my experience jealousy is a bigger issue here in Thailand compared to most western countries, but your man has serious control issues.
It is true that Thais take showers frequently and also often before they go to bed, but again your man’s behavior is excessive and nobody has the right to control others or legislate their behavior.
My motto in such cases is “When in doubt, get out.”
Hi. I’m a Thai guy, but I have to say I totally agree with Shama on this one. I have Thai female friends whose boyfriend are really the jealous type, but they are nowhere near the level described by Jasmine. When he came to see her on campus and she was hanging out with us, he might give us some weird/jealous stare or go to the canteen and called her to meet up there ASAP, but that was as worst as it would get (we all became good friends, though, eventually).
I am genuinely concerned about the “bizarre behaviors” described. Read my lips: NORMAL THAI MEN DON’T DO THESE THINGS.
- Licking the chilli off your food is near fetish >_<
- Even in university, "bird-feeding" is only done as a game in college initiation rites, usually by members of the same sex (it's more hilarious that way).
- Not allowing you to smoke, drink, wipe your face, or take off a ring is psychotic.
Yes, "When in doubt, get out." This is HIS peer insisting here!
PS. I know this comment appears about a year later than it should, so perhaps I'm making this statement for future reference by other readers.
When I go out in Thailand, I am always pursued and talked to by Thai men. They are not as shy as you think. I have had a couple of Thai boyfriends as well and they were fun partners. I think your post has some valid information…but from what I can see, Thai men find western women attractive and worth talking to.
Hi Juliana,
I think that in recent years, mainly in the areas where there are lots of tourists or foreigners, Thai men show more of an interest in western women and lose some of their shyness. In the areas of Thailand where there is less presence of tourists and expats, Thai men tend to stay away from western women. I imagine that a gradual opening and loosening up of Thai-western relationships will continue especially amongst the younger generation. The ratio between Western woman/Thai man versus Western man/Thai woman relationship is still very extreme in favor of the latter. This might be changing slowly as you noticed in your own experience. I am glad you had some fun relationships with Thai men
hello
thank u mr. shama for ur article
u r right,most of those who wrote u back r half aisans so this makes it easier relationship with thai guys
to me a different case, coz im arabic and i like a thai guy. we r friends but i like him more than a just friend.
we go out together, have a lovely times and he is so nice and caring.
however, i think it is a frienship with these limits.
i showed him that i care too but thai r different from other nationalities seems they expect the girl to approach.
I dont know what to do!
rima
Rima, I am always in favor of initiating good communication. This is especially important in cross cultural relationships. Often it is difficult for Thais to open up and reveal what is really on their mind. This is how they are brought up and it is often a new concept to them that it is possible and indeed very useful to openly talk about how you feel and what would bring the two partners closer together. Some Thai men can feel intimidated by such an open approach since Thai women do not usually do that. But I feel that without open communication about a relationship it does not have a big chance of working out.
Judging from the comments to my article, there are some good western woman-Thai man relationships. I wish I could get a follow up on some of these comments a year later to see how it developed!
You are another special case being arabic, so there is again another type of energy entering the picture that the Thai man is probably not at all familiar with. Try to discuss things openly and see how he reacts, and please let me know how it works out. I wish you success and a happy relationship!
I am 100% British, but have quite asian features dark long hair, dark eyes, petite body fair skin etc. I have been living in Thailand since i was 14 years old and have found Thailand to be a very large candy shop!!! Thai men find me very attractive and i am continuously approached by Thai men. I found this article because me and my Thai boyfriend (of 3 years) are planning to get married. I suppose some of what you said is true that is mostly thai women are with western men but other parts i found hilarious and very untrue.I have had only Thai boyfriends and have been told that i am the kind of girl THEY dream about! i suppose growing up here, speaking the language and knowing the culture helps my situation.
Laura.
Oh and i met my boyfriend in a non-tourist town. Hardly any western faces at all.
Yes Laura, it does seem that you do not represent the typical scenario which I am describing. When writing about something, you cannot help generalizing to some degree. There are always some people at the end of both spectrums who do not fall into the main category. And that’s a good thing!
Cross cultural relationship challenges often stem from an inability to communicate effectively due to language barriers or misinterpretation problems, or from the ignorance of one or both partners about the cultural background and way of thinking of their partner. Clearly none of these are an issue for you, and that’s why I am not surprised that you don’t experience all the challenges that I am writing about.
Certainly it is possible to have a great cross cultural relationship. I know that because I have been in one for 9 years already. Like you, I have been in Thailand for a long time.
I am writing my articles in order to help people who are less familiar with Thailand understand what they might experience here. If you know the potential pitfalls, you can deal with them, or avoid them. I hope that my series of relationship articles will help some people get into good relationships and stay in them. A little knowledge can go a long way compared with the risks of getting into a relationship with starry eyes and little understanding of another culture.